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Postby Hoopy McSquirt » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:08 am

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Subject title: Help with a 2D Abstract Design

Hi everyone! This is my first time on the forums! So I have a project for my 2D Design class - a panoramic ink drawing (black and white only). My latest "prototype" sketch is this. (My idea, which is of course meaningless in an abstract piece, is to show the evolution of handmade mechanical watches to mass produced electronic ones.) However my teacher says that she doesn't like how it makes your eye only go along the middle. She says it would be improved if I would add areas of focus around the edges to make the eye go in more directions than just forward. I can agree with that, and I made a new sketch to try it out, but I kind of like this one better for some reason.

I just want to hear your opinions of this, especially in regards to the "flow." Should I change everything to fit the project and finish this piece separately on my own time, or is this piece really uninteresting?

Thanks!
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Postby Total100 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:38 am

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to tell your the truth i cant tell whats going on. it might be the scan quality but im not sure what you actually drew. i just see a bunch of shapes. also im not sure which way to look from left to right or right to left. i think for a piece like this it looks good if you keep everything along the middle but it might be just me,
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Postby Hoopy McSquirt » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:40 am

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Lol it is abstract so it is indeed just shapes. Also, I don't have a scanner, so next time I'll try increasing the contrast or just inking it. Shapes are (loosely) based off of the Hamilton Ventura watch, mechanical watch parts, and electronics. Thanks for the quick reply!
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Postby Ambiguity » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:05 am

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If it's supposed to be abstract, don't you think the giant watch on the left is a little too concrete? I think at least the minute and hour hand should be removed to make it a little more ambiguous.

I don't quite understand your teachers comment, I understand wanting a focal point, but adding multiple focal points around the entire piece is going to be jarring to the eye imo, but then again I've never done something like what you're working on. Personally I'd have the housing of the modern watch standing vertically in the center with all the old school watch mechanics branching out from it, I'd also go for something more symmetrical on both sides of it since it's a panoramic(i'd mirror the right side, the detail is nice). If it was a tighter canvas, even a regular wide angle shot, then I'd be more inclined to do something asymmetrical; that's just my 2 cents though.

 

Postby alnoth » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:49 am

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my thoughts exactly. the shape of the design WANTS you to move along the center. i dont find anything wrong with that. perhaps to break the symmetry in places, but to have the eye go all over the place, i dont know...

i dont think you can show what you want - mechanical to electronic watch - by abstract shapes. i think you will have to drop in parts that will at least resemble the individual parts of the clock. what i mean is, when you will have a screw head showing and it will represent a screw head, its not abstract. if you will have a cogged wheel which will represent a cogged wheel, its not abstract.

 

Postby Zjacklee » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:16 pm

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Should I change everything to fit the project


If there is change that will make it fit into the project better as the client ( in this case the teacher ) wants it, you should do that. In my experience, you might not agree artistically with them... But they are the ones grading or paying you so....
For best results, just follow their instruction. :ugeek:

And you are always encouraged of course to make your own version with your own twist to it if you feel like it besides it.
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Postby Hoopy McSquirt » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:52 am

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Thanks for the feedback guys! I will upload the finished product tomorrow. Here is what I have so far, so you can see where I'm going.
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Postby Ambiguity » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:06 pm

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Wow, it's looking good all inked out.

 

Postby Hoopy McSquirt » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:16 am

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Here is what I have done; unfortunately I don't have a good camera or good lighting in my dorm so I had to take multiple shots for the details. After I finished I noticed that it seems to work a lot better vertically than horizontally. Do any of you have a preference or criticisms? :|

I have other abstract (and non-abstract) pieces too, if anyone likes this kind of stuff! :D
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Postby Zjacklee » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:22 am

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that looks pretty cool. not bad dude, not bad!

with what did you ink it? ( cause it looks good in the small images but zoomed in i can see some of the impurities and that's a shame. I think it's the pen you used.
I have a few ink pens too that wouldn't do that. they are anti-mess )

these are the ones I have:
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p.s. How big is that piece of yours anyway?
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Postby Hoopy McSquirt » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:56 am

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Thank you! It's 9x36 inches. I always used to use black gel pens but for this I used a regular felt tip pen. One time I left one of my gel pen drawings near a window and the sunlight basically made the ink fade away for some reason! I have never used those pens you have pictured; do you recommend them??

I like to work in pen for basically everything, because it's so... I don't know, precise? I love details!!! :D :D . Usually I sketch with gel pens because they're cheap. You can see the type of art I like to draw on my Newgrounds page http://meattoilet5000.newgrounds.com/
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Postby Zjacklee » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:33 pm

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Hoopy McSquirt wrote:Thank you! It's 9x36 inches. I always used to use black gel pens but for this I used a regular felt tip pen. One time I left one of my gel pen drawings near a window and the sunlight basically made the ink fade away for some reason! I have never used those pens you have pictured; do you recommend them??

I like to work in pen for basically everything, because it's so... I don't know, precise? I love details!!! :D :D . Usually I sketch with gel pens because they're cheap. You can see the type of art I like to draw on my Newgrounds page http://meattoilet5000.newgrounds.com/


Yea, I think I would recommend you the ones I showed you. they are very precise. I tried messing around with my fingertip on the ink on the paper as soon as i had made a stroke to see if it could mess up, and it didn't at all.
the one I bought had 6 fineliners. the sizes were: 0.05 / 0.1 / 0.2 / 0.3 / 0.5 and 0.8
the brand is "Staedtler".
I haven't done much art with it myself since I work mostly digital, but I had them just in case. :mrgreen:
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Postby alnoth » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:38 pm

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perhaps you should try sketching with som edding paint markers on your tablet. should be fun... :twisted:


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